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Cantwell Gets Permission from McGavick on Iraq

Maria Cantwell's "brave" change in position was apparently prompted by....Mike McGavick. Yes, like a true DLC Democrat, Maria Cantwell decided that it was okay to change her position....as long as a Republican did it first.

From today's Seattle Times:

For months, Cantwell has refused to reconsider her 2002 vote approving the invasion. Told last week that McGavick would have opposed the invasion had he known what he knows today, she seemed to tweak her position, saying: "I certainly wouldn't have voted that way if we knew you could contain Saddam Hussein and we didn't have to worry about what he was going to do."

David Postman is doing reporting on this right now but it seems that Maria Cantwell's change in position was prompted by her desire not to be more pro-war than her REPUBLICAN opponent.

So for all those who have been sanctimoniously telling us that Maria Cantwell's position on Iraq was about principle, responsibility and her "real" feelings about the war: I promise to accept your apologies gracefully.

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Maria Cantwell's position on the war will evolve:
When we get the Iraq equivalent of the Tet Offensive
When we get a Tet Offensive in Iraq AND Mike McGavick says "quagmire" first.
When Hillary Clinton actually tells Donald Rumsfeld to "go F__ himself" on PBS.
When Evan Bayh tells her what her position is.
When she realizes she has brains and balls enough to beat McGavick like a rented mule because he's a complete loser.

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The more Maria gains, the more manic he gets.

What will it be like for dlaw when she wins? He'll just run a string of diaries insisting that she would have won by more if she had only listened to him, and that the rest of us are just a bunch of idiots.

If perception is reality, then the world must be flat and the sun must revolve around it.

by ivan on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 02:32:53 PM PST

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THUGS:

incessantly working and re-working message to find what works

hammer home message that works

don't worry about message = truth.

lame-o-crats:

act like 7th grade student government girls, whispering that one of the boys is a no good jerk and doesn't play fair.

respond with tomes of truth and RESPOND, do NOT hit first by finding truthful messages that work.

take lessons from winning Dems (Lamont, Hackett ... ) and ignore those lessons.

ATTACK Dems who think your strategy and tactics are lame.

  1. call them bitter, angry, negative ... yawn

  2. tell them to fix the problems you were hired to do!

Rally your "base" with tales of evil thugs, victimization by a meanie system, AND Divisiveness from:

angry negative people,
people who won't fix things,
hippies, leftists, the disenfranchised ...

mix in 6 million bucks and you gotta a senate campaign!

rmm.

http://www.liemail.com/BambooGrassroots.html

by rmdSeaBos on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 02:59:00 PM PST

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Either party OR the mainstream media about the effects of a pullout, a significant plurality of Washington voters have come to a conclusion that is to the left of anything substantive the Dems have come up with.

Of the 44% who support the presence in Iraq, fully three-quarters are almost certainly the Republican base whose minds will not be changed.

To me, Mike Mcgavick and Maria Cantwell, those numbers say that even Republicans should be softening their support for the war. To the fear-filled Dems who parrot the establishment, nothing speaks louder than the received wisdom that Iraq is popular with the "middle". It's clearly not. In about a month a report will be coming out from the DOD that will say that Iraq is actually in worse shape than it's ever been. Then, I predict, Democrats and Republicans will be moving even further away from George Bush and his utter failure in Iraq.

Will Cantwell stay behind the curve, hurting her own credibility and that of her party or will she finally get the message and lead just a tiny bit?

Clearly the entire controversy we've been having over Cantwell and the war was unnecessary. Cantwell was wrong and she has reluctantly admitted it. The President was wrong and McGavick has admitted it. The people pushing for Dems to drop their support for the war have been both morally and politically right all along.

Fortunately, I think the anti-war forces will accept apologies gracefully.

by dlaw on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 03:31:31 PM PST

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Voters.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/index.html

can't link to the stupid little graphs directly.

31% withdraw in 12 to 18 months
19% withdraw immediately
38% withdraw when Iraqis can keep the peace
6% permanent presence

um ... how many MILLIONS of registered voters are there in the state of Washington?

whatever the margin of error, WTF does anyone use the right wing labels

anti-war?

leftists?

looks to this idiot like WAY OVER 1/2 of the registered voters want us outta there,

IF there was some freaking leadership on stuff ohter than:

quiver in front of bush,
keep sending money to bechtel and halliburton,

.................. BANG BOOM !!!!!!

holy cow, something just hit me in the head!

I FORGOT!

Leaders work for us, BUT, they better not really lead,

AND, they don't really have nothing to do, other than get re-elected with scare tactics, until

2011 when their f$$$ing job is on the line!

whew!

Saved!

I amost thought that United States Senators would

LEAD

ha ha ha!

rmm.

http://www.liemail.com/BambooGrassroots.html

by rmdSeaBos on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 05:32:18 PM PST

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The "Early Warning" blog has a piece today that is telling.

The new justification for the Iraq war is that we are fighting Al-Qaeda in Iraq. That's why we're there NOW, not for democracy or WMD, but Al-Qaeda. Yeah, except Al-Qaeda wasn't IN Iraq before we got there.

So now the primary justification for the war in Iraq is something we created the conditions for ourselves and we seek to defeat this thing by....wait for it...doing exactly what we've been doing which helped create Al-Qaeda in Iraq in the first place.

That's just staggering, really. The mission that Maria Cantwell voted for has been completely abandoned and still she has, officially, "no regrets".

by dlaw on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 06:08:27 PM PST

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