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Washington's Presidential Caucuses and Primary: Access, Democracy, Relevancy

PRECINCT CAUCUSES: February 9, 1PM, many neighborhood locations.
Democratic Caucus Locator (requires precinct)
County Elections offices (to identify your precinct).
PRIMARY: February 19
WA Secretary of State Primary Info
WA Secretary of State Online Voter Registration
WHO CAN PARTICIPATE?
The primary and caucuses are for the voting public, not just party activists. Everyone who is registered to vote and who declares as a Democrat or Republican can vote.

As a Precinct Committee Officer I've been getting questions about Washington's presidential primary and caucuses: are we having both this year?  Where and when are they?  Is it worth participating?

The way we do the primaries and caucuses has been changing in recent years.  The process also differs by political party.  And the recent contentious public debate on related partisan issues has caused more confusion. It's complex enough that, even though I took part in the 2004 presidential caucuses and am helping to help organize local caucuses this year, I've had to do a bit of work to feel confident that I'm answering people's questions without misinforming them.  I'm guessing others are on a quest similar to mine -- judging from how many people are Googling into previous Washblog stories on the issue.

The "primary" question: Does my participation matter?
The big question I hear from people on Washington's primary and caucuses is whether there's a point to participating. Does the primary mean anything? Are the caucuses open to the input of regular people -- or only to party insiders? If you vote in one, should you vote in the other too? Is the whole process manipulated by the party elites to produce a foregone conclusion? Is everything scheduled so late that it won't matter what we do in Washington anyway?

I've asked the same questions myself, although my starting assumptions are somewhere between those of unquestioning Democratic Party supporters (there aren't many of those around, actually) and the most disillusioned people I've talked with. I'm skeptical of the Democratic Party as an organization, but I see that it is grounded in principles of democracy and sustainability, operated with significant grassroots participation, and generally run for public benefit. I'm not happy with the way the process has been set up this year. But I believe my participation in the caucuses will be meaningful. I may skip the Democratic primary in protest. If I were voting Republican, I might decide differently. More on all this, below.

CAUCUSES
The image to the left, from the Washington Democratic Party, lays out the Democratic caucus-convention cycle with nice parsimony.  It is, perhaps, a bit West-Washington centric.  I understand that some areas in eastern Washington may select delegates to the state convention at the County Convention. Click on the image for a larger version.

The Republican cycle is organized differently, but the general idea for both parties is similar. A large number of delegates and alternates are elected at the neighborhood caucuses on February 9.  Those delegates then attend subsequent caucuses where they vote amongst themselves to elect smaller numbers of delegates.  By the end of the caucus-convention cycle a small number of Washington delegates, 97 Democrats and 40 Republicans, attend their respective national conventions to join with other delegates from around the country to elect the parties' nominees.

 

The caucus v. primary democracy question
The caucuses have been criticized as events that exclude large numbers of voters, while the primaries have been extolled as inclusive. This is a view put forward by people I respect, including Greg Rodriguez, the former Chair of King County Democrats who wrote here on Washblog that the caucuses are a futile attempt at democracy, and by Steve Zemke of Majority Rules blog, who was the campaign organizer for Initiative 99, which brought us the primary system to begin with. With due respect, I believe that this a mischaracterization -- at least in terms of the Democratic caucuses.

I'll go with the view of Krist Novoselic of US Fair Vote (and formerly bassist for Nirvana), who was one of the Democratic committee members who voted for the caucus process this year.  Novoselic wrote on Washblog back in May that the 2008 caucuses will be a real exercise in democratic participation. "These local events," Novoselic wrote, "will fill with citizens eager to nominate candidates for president. We're in an age of apathy and we should not assault this process of civic engagement."

I believe that any defense of the caucuses against the charge that they are elitist has to start with an acknowledgment that we are struggling to maintain democracy with an electoral system that is seriously messed up. The opportunity to run for President is effectively closed to anyone who presents a serious challenge to the corporate powers that control the media and pay for elections. It is effectively closed to anyone who doesn't run under the label of one of the two major parties. Our elections run on dirty money, dirty tricks, lies, smears, fear-mongering, voter disenfranchisement and voter suppression. The caucuses are part of this dysfunctional system and they have their own additional flaws (2). But they are one of the brightest spots in a faltering system. I believe they are among our most democratic institutions.

Access versus meaning
On the Democratic Party side, at least, caucuses have evolved into a series of events that begin wide open to input from any registered voter who declares as a Democrat. As the cycle progresses, input and participation from all players is narrowed, increasing the relative influence of the party "machine". But our system requires the organization and power that only a party machine can deliver. Absent some profound electoral reform -- which we're not going to get between now and November, 2008, no candidate with reasonable positions on the environment, social justice, and democracy can get elected without that power behind him or her. The caucuses are a major point of entry for the input of regular citizens -- we the people, we the democracy.

Yes, the primaries are more physically accessible because they are conducted by absentee ballot. But there is a trade-off for this access. They are also much more influenced by big-money electoral politics.  Washington State Democratic Party Chair Dwight Pelz has said that the caucus system encourages grassroots democracy and dialogue while the primary favors candidates who spend the most money on TV ads and teaches participants that politics is a solitary process. I agree. (3)

Washington's primary and caucuses are scheduled after Super Tuesday. So the presidential nominees may be known by the time we hold the first caucus on February 9. If that's the case, we'll see less citizen participation in the caucuses, and we're not likely to see the presidential candidates traveling to Washington to court us. Would this be cause to stay home on February 9? I believe not!

What if it's all over by February 9?
Why not stay home from the caucuses if the race seems run?

Well, first, it's important to remember that an apparent early result can change. That's a slim - but real - possibility, and I write about it more later on.

Even beyond these horse race considerations, the caucuses are the key event in the presidential election cycle that allows Washington citizens to organize themselves for more impact on both primaries and the November general election for President and for all other candidates. History shows that even small numbers of people who care about their community can have a decisive impact on the outcome of elections.

The caucuses are a key opportunity to organize for a successful general election and for the kind of long-term civic community relationships that are necessary to keep democracy alive. They allow like-minded neighbors to bypass the usual electoral noise of money, power, and prejudice to share political information face to face. These are not symbolic benefits. They allow the kind of neighbor-to-neighbor dialogue that is essential for rebuilding the integrity of our electoral democracy. The 2004 Democratic caucus in my neighborhood was democratically beautiful.

What happens at the caucuses?
There is no need to be an expert or an experienced partisan activist to take part in the caucuses. Most participants are not. The training provided to the caucus organizers by the Democratic Party requires that each person who walks into the building will be welcomed and helped to sign in and find a seat in a section assigned to his or her precinct, and participate meaningfully in the proceedings.

The primary order of business is to elect delegates from the precincts who will go on to the next level, the legislative district caucuses, to elect a smaller number of delegates from among themselves. A larger percentage of people who attend the precinct caucuses on February 9 will have an opportunity to serve as one of these delegates. Delegates can choose to be pledged to a candidate, or can choose to remain unpledged or undecided. The delegate elections take place after everyone is given a chance to speak on behalf of a candidate for a short amount of time (perhaps 2 minutes). At my neighborhood caucus in 2004 I was amazed at how many people got up to speak intelligently, sharing information that was new to me. The process was orderly and very respectful.

Resolutions are also introduced at the precinct caucuses. Any person attending can introduce these resolutions. By way of example, here are two sample resolutions posted by Democracy for Vancouver for impeaching George Bush and Dick Cheney that people can introduce on February 9th.

What if I want to participate and I can't attend the caucus?
Democrats who cannot attend the caucus because of physical disability, religious observance, or military service can file a surrogate form which allows them both to stand for election as delegates and to vote for other delegates (by nominee preference). Republicans who are unable to attend for similar reasons can stand for election as a delegate but can't vote for other delegates. They also must contact the party to arrange for this in advance. (4) The Democrats have a delegate selection and affirmative action plan, which requires considerable outreach to the community and a robust effort to even out the playing field for gender and race. Here's the state Democratic Party page on the Caucus-Convention Cycle.  Here's the state Republican Party Caucus and Convention Manual.

PRIMARY
The primary for both parties will be held on February 19.  In some areas, there will also be a special election held for other offices at the same time.  All registered voters can participate, as in any election. Here's the Washington Secretary of State 2008 Presidential Primary Page. The last day to register to vote for this election (with some exceptions) is January 19.  Here's an online registration form, available starting January 7, 2008.

The Democratic and Republican nominees for President are elected by delegates who are appointed and elected through primaries and caucuses. They are not elected directly by the citizenry at large. So what's the primary for?

For Democrats, the answer to that question in 2008 is "not much". That's because the primary is scheduled after the caucuses, when it has the least effect on candidates' momentum -- and because the Democratic Party leadership decided early in the year to not use the primary results in allocating delegates.

There was a suggestion made early in the year that the Washington's primary be moved to February 5, "Super Tuesday". That would have allowed for the momentum established in the primary to feed into the caucuses. It would have allowed for those who voted in the primary to be mailed invitations to the caucuses.  (5) Dave Gibney, a Democratic State Committeeman advanced this in a Washblog article in April: Washington Needs to Hold a Presidential Primary. The current configuration leaves the Democratic primary election "orphaned", or isolated from the rest of the political cycle. However, there is still a chance that a strong result for a candidate could get some media attention and add to that candidate's momentum.

The story is a little different for Republicans voting in the February 19 primary - though not a lot.

Washington's Republican Party has 40 delegates, total, to apportion to all presidential primary candidates (out of 2,476 Republican delegates nationally). They've settled on a complex formula to decide how these delegates will be pledged to individual presidential candidates. (6) By using both primary and caucus results to apportion that small number of delegates -- and by electing a quarter of their delegates at the state convention --after the primary and caucuses are all over -- the Republicans are diluting the impact of both the primary and the caucuses. I think their system maximizes party choice over citizen choice so much that I don't see much citizen choice left over. The Democratic use of the caucus system alone allows for caucus votes to have more impact -- enhancing both the advantages and flaws of the caucus system.

It is unfortunate that we're holding a $9.7 million primary that has, practically speaking, very little effect. Many people may remember that, in 2004, the presidential primary was canceled in a special session of the legislature. So we didn't have a primary that year at all. I am hearing that the legislature didn't cancel the primary again because neither party wanted to take the political heat for taking the primary "choice" away from voters. I don't know if that's true. It seems plausible.

A delegate situation
The presidential nominees for the parties are chosen by delegates. So it's worth dwelling for a moment on our state's delegate situation. How many delegates do we get? What does this mean for people backing Democratic or Republican candidates?

Washington has more Democrats than Republicans in statewide and national office -- and we've voted for the Democratic candidate for President in recent elections. So Washington's Democrats get more voice in the matter of choosing a presidential nominee for their party than Washington's Republicans do. Nationally, 4,367 Democratic delegates will vote for their presidential nominee. Ninety-seven Washington State Democratic delegates, about 2.2% of that total, will take part in that process. On the other side of the aisle, we have 2,476 Republican delegates voting for their party's nominee. Forty Washington State Republicans, about 1.6% of that total, will take part.

More on the delegate role
Washington's Democratic and Republican leadership decided back in March to keep the state's primaries and caucuses scheduled late in comparison with those of other states. The Democratic nominee needs 2,184 delegate votes (out of 4,367) to win. It will be possible for one nominee to have that many votes pledged to him or her by February 9. Even if there isn't an outright winner, it's likely that one or two strong front-runners will have emerged. I doubt that, by the time our state finalizes the caucus process on May 17, we won't have an apparent winner or a clear front-runner.

If it happens this way, it's still possible that something unexpected can change everything. A candidate can commit a major political blunder -- or his support can unexpectedly weaken. This happened with Howard Dean early in 2004. That could cause two candidates with close numbers to reverse their positions. Or it could take the race in a completely unexpected direction. Delegates for several different candidates, for example, could pool their votes and put their collective weight behind a compromise choice to squeeze out a suddenly weakened front-runner. In these kinds of fluid circumstances, a single delegate advantage could make all the difference-- and all of this can influence the decisions of people in states who are voting even later in the game.

Staying home because the election seems like a done deal means giving up the chance to help add to the political weight behind a candidate you support -- and his or her platform. Numbers matter. Some attribute Howard Dean's Chairmanship of the DNC, for example, to his strong delegate presence in 2004. If Edwards or Kucinich delegates have a strong contingent at the National Convention -- or even make it possible through vote trading for one candidate to pull ahead of another -- are we are more likely to have a Department of Peace -- or more action on poverty in 2009? Possibly.

The most important reason to participate is that civic participation is what makes democracy work. The antidote to a manipulated electorate and a cheated majority is civic participation. The "party machine" that is so reviled in the media is actually -- on both sides of the aisle -- a major opportunity for ordinary citizens to help revive democracy. The precincts, the precinct caucuses, and the position of Precinct Committee Officer are mandated in Washington state law because they form a democratic foundation for these two parties that have immense political power. This structure is not perfect, but it is an expression of the true political grassroots. Its power is waiting to be claimed by the citizenry.


NOTES

  1. Selected Washblog Stories on Washington's 2008 presidential caucuses and primary
  2. Criticisms of the caucus system focus primarily on the fact that requiring in-person participation is unduly restrictive, particularly because the caucuses require attendance at more than one event.  This is a fair criticism. However, if we are to preserve any form of civic decision-making that allows for in-person discussion amongst voters, we will have to deal with this flaw -- essentially a trade-off.  Both major parties in Washington have made efforts to mitigate this problem. The Democratic party has done a better job. Some criticisms:
    • Steve Zemke of Majority Rules blog, who was the Director of Initiative 99, the successful campaign to create a primary system in Washington State back in 1988, argues that the caucus system excludes those who are unable to attend it and that it "benefits party insiders who are willing to not just attend the initial precinct caucus but go to the legislative district, county, Congressional and state convention."
    • 29A.56.010 RCW states that the presidential nominating caucus system in Washington State is unnecessarily restrictive of voter participation in that it discriminates against the elderly, the infirm, women, the disabled, evening workers, and others who are unable to attend caucuses and therefore unable to fully participate in this most important quadrennial event that occurs in our democratic system of government.
    • Greg Rodriguez, former Chair of King County Democrats, wrote in a Washblog story, Caucus v. Primary that "The caucus system has also alienated many voters from both Parties because of the elitist and closed-door impression these futile attempts at Democracy represent."
  3. From a reprint of a 4/27/07 email from Dwight Pelz, Chair WSDCC, subject: Caucus or Primary, posted at: Thurston County Democrats and accessed on 12/26/07:
    "I believe that the our system of presidential caucuses represents grassroots democracy at its best.

    "Caucus or Primary
    "Caucuses require candidates to launch grassroots campaigns to contact potential voters one on one, and make sure they turnout to their neighborhood caucus meeting.

    "Primaries reach voters through television advertising.

    "Caucuses test the true strength of our candidates and their campaign organizations.

    "Primaries test the ability of the candidates to raise money.

    "Caucuses require people to leave their homes and meet their neighbors on a Saturday afternoon, and engage in dialogue about the candidates and the direction of our nation.

    "A Washington Primary will be by all-mail ballot. Voters will sit at the dining room table and mark a box on ballot, then drop it in the mail.

    "Caucuses build our party by bringing grassroots activists into a dynamic process.

    "Primaries reinforce the notion that participation in politics can be a solitary experience."

  4. As per a 12/19/07 phone conversation with representative at the Washington State Republican Party HQ.
  5. State law requires that if you vote for a Democratic or Republican candidate in the presidential primary, your information becomes available to that candidate's party.  How you voted won't be reported --  just your partisan preference. And if you skip the presidential primary but vote in the other races that appear on the February 19 ballot in the special elections, your information won't be shared.
  6. Election and Appointment of Delegates
    Democratic: 51 Democratic delegates are elected in Washington state directly through the caucus process that begins with neighborhood caucuses on February 9. These 51 people are referred to as the "district delegates". The district delegates who attend the state Democratic convention on June 14 comprise the delegate "election committee". They vote at that convention to elect 29 other delegates who have submitted their names for election or who have been recommended for election.  These include a number of party leaders. An additional 17 party leaders are delegates (aka "super delegates") by virtue of their positions.  These include Democratic electeds such as the Governor and the Democratic members of the US legislature.  They also include members of the Democratic National Convention.
    Republican: Three of Washington's 40 Republican delegates are appointed.  These are the State Chair, and the state National Committeeman and Committeewoman. Of the delegates elected through the caucus system, 19 -- about half -- will be pledged to vote for presidential nominees on the basis of how many votes those candidates receive in the state primary. Nine of those 19 delegates -- one from each of the state's Congressional Districts elected in the caucuses -- will be pledged in a winner-take-all scenario to the primary's top vote-getter. Ten of those 19 delegates are considered to be "at large" delegates. They will be elected at the Republican state convention after the primary and caucuses are all over, and they will be pledged proportionally to the presidential candidates who receive 20% or more of the primary vote.

    Got it?  (!)

    Imagine, for example, that John McCain gets 49% of the Republican primary vote, Mitt Romney 29%, and Mike Huckabee 19.999%.  McCain, as the top vote-getter in the primary will get pledges from all 9 of the winner-take-all Congressional District delegates.  That leaves the 10 "at large" delegates elected at the state convention to be pledged proportionally to the highest vote-getters in the primary. According to the  Washington GOP caucus and convention manual, that would result in McCain being alloted 6 of those 10 delegates on top of the 9 delegates he receives from the caucuses. Romney would get a total of 3 delegates, alloted as a result of his 29% primary result. And Huckabee and the others would be left with no delegates, as none of them received 20% or more of the vote. That scenario leaves a gap of one unpledged delegate. I don't see a rule covering that contingency. And I wonder what would happen if four or five Republican candidates each got a little under 20% of the vote.


The opinions and any errors in this piece are mine alone.  I would like to thank Dave Gibney, PCO and (past) Whitman County Democratic Party State Committeemember and Bryan Kesterson, Chair of 47th District Democrats, for background information and advice.
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Hi Noemie,

Thought I'd take you up on your offer to comment on your caucus piece.  First, thanks for tackling this...it's quite an undertaking!  The caucuses are emotionally charged and technically challenging, so kudos for trying to make sense of it all.

Now for my thoughts.  At the outset, I must admit my bias:  I am not a caucus fan and my comments play to this bias. I am cynical about the purpose of the caucus, and believe that the stated reason -- "party building"  --  is really a euphemism for "list building."  Yes, more happens at the caucus than that, but I think name acquisition is the primary and longest lasting deliverable. There are of course many flaws with the presidential primary, possibly including the greater influence of "big money" and TV ads.  However, I would argue that folks are unduly influenced by "big money" and mass media in the caucus system as well as the primary.  Regardless, to help mitigate the "big money" issue, my hope is for "Clean Elections" (coupled with a primary)  -- but that's not the topic at hand.

My specific comments below are geared toward particular statements in your piece rather than an overall critique.

STATEMENT:  The caucuses have been criticized as events that exclude large numbers of voters...I believe this is a mischaracterization.
COMMENT:  I believe the caucuses are exclusionary.  I think they are less exclusionary than they once were (with proxy provisions now for "religious observance, military service or disability") -- but they still exclude a significant number of folks who just can't spend a Saturday afternoon caucusing. Working folks, parents, and the elderly immediately come to mind! I remember vividly talking with people in 2004 who really cared about the process and wanted to participate, but couldn't make it for very legitimate reasons (not laziness or disengagement).  And as has been noted by other critics, Feb. 9 is just one commitment in a series.

STATEMENT:  The caucuses are a key opportunity to organize for a successful general election...the kind of neighbor-to-neighbor dialogue that is essential for rebuilding the integrity of our electoral democracy.
COMMENT:  I agree, neighbor-to-neighbor dialogue is wonderful and can be very rewarding. But I need more evidence that the precinct caucuses really are a springboard for sustained "people"organizing -- other than name gathering.  At the 2004 precinct caucuses, Kerry supporters showed up in droves, never seen before at the 46th and never seen again.  A slight exaggeration -- some stuck it out after the caucus process ended  -- but not many.  Most swooped in and then disappeared.  One particular comment by a Kerry supporter is seared into my brain (paraphrased, but very close):  "But I have to support Kerry, the media told me I have no choice."  OK, a single anecdotal comment is not scientific, but for me it symbolized a lot of what I observed at the caucuses. I have to add that for other candidates, I indeed saw great passion and commitment that was delightful to witness.

STATEMENT:  Resolutions are also introduced at the precinct caucuses.
COMMENT: I don't take issue with this, only to note your brief discussion.  To some folks, the platform and resolution discussions are a key element of the caucus process.

STATEMENT: The Democrats have a delegate selection and affirmative action plan that requires considerable outreach to the community and a robust effort to even out the playing field for gender and race.
COMMENT:  Risking political incorrectness, I disagree.  The "robust effort" is robustly oriented towards making Democrats look good. Democrats do a lackluster job (euphemism?) of reaching out to minorities, but want to make sure that the televised convention reflects "America."   In 2004, to carry out the affirmative action plan, many folks were selected as delegates who seemed to come of the blue, and went back there after the Convention.  Why?  

STATEMENT:  It is unfortunate that we're holding a $9.7 million primary that has, practically speaking, very little effect.
COMMENT:  I agree.  For 2008, it is a waste to hold the primary given the weight of the caucus system -- despite my bias toward the primary.

So, again, just some scattered comments for you to consider (or not!).  And again, thanks for sorting through and communicating all this information. As a PCO, I will try my best at my caucus despite my misgivings -- so I read your piece with great interest.

-bev

by BevM on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 07:20:02 PM PST

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And furthermore, I totally reject the theory that the caucus is a more democratic system. The 1988 initiative sought to reform the process by instituting a primary -- which is attended by far more voters than a caucus -- and I believe Pelz's decision to choose delegates only from the caucus is exclusionary. Caucuses are an outmoded process. Even in Iowa, the big hoo-haw first caucus of the presidential race, brings far fewer participants in than a primary. Especially when one considers the lousy winter weather.

From the Sec of State's office:

http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/pdf/2008PP/2008%20Presidential%20Primary%20FAQ.pdf

Just a tidbit regarding the turnout in the 2000 election:

2-4% attend the caucuses.

42% attend the primaries.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Voting rights organizations, and, of course the LWV, seek to include -- not exclude -- as many participants as possible in the political process. The caucus does not help achieve that goal.

by shoephone on Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 08:51:17 PM PST

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I very much appreciate these responses.  Thanks, Bev, Shoephone & Gibney.  I think Shoephone and I might agree -- or come close to it -- that the big money that is distorting our elections is a more fundamental problem than caucus v primary.  If that were taken care of, our discussion here would be very different.

I have a couple of more individual responses to make a bit later.  But for now, I'll restate -- as I've said in the piece - that, first, I don't appreciate the way that the caucus/primary events have been scheduled in WA for 2008 and, second, I do see the caucuses as flawed -- but that the foundational problem is that neither caucuses nor primary function properly because everything else electoral in this country is FUBAR. We're making increasingly irrational choices in proportion to the diminishment of our democracy.  

Why do so few people show up to the caucuses relative to the primary?  And why do so few people vote in the primary relative to the populace that should be engaged?  It is not the requirement that people show up in person that depresses participation -- it is something deeper. It is the lack of meaning. What's in it for me sounds shallow but it is not.  

The primary, like elections in general, are meaning-impoverished because they are manipulated by big money.  People are voting on prejudice and fear -- created by marketing campaigns.  And we see parallel voting on fear and prejudice among our legislators, particularly on the national scene.  We're in the midst of institutionalizing torture, suspension of civil rights, etc. The sense of civic engagement is compromised, undermined.  100% vote-by-mail is a beautiful metaphor for what we've given up, democracy's terrible losses.  

Would we choose 100% participation in an 100% manipulated, meaningless system?  That's absurd, yes -- but an absurdity chosen to illustrate what I think we face here.  The challenge is not to get people to take part in a meaningless exercise.  The challenge is to restore democracy.  Caucus v primary is the least of our worries.  It is a symptom, not a cause.  (However, the caucuses themselves have promise as democracy-building events).

As for outreach to minorities. A couple of years ago, I spent some time trying to get the LD organizations in south King County to look at why our memberships don't reflect the diversity of our communities. That effort failed, but I learned quite a bit.  People don't participate because of outreach.  They participate because of meaning.  Here in Washington state 3.5% of our population is African American -- but 45% of the people incarcerated for life under three strikes are African American.  Year after year a Democratic legislator, Adam Kline, tries to get the smallest, most logical reform of 3-strikes passed.  Is he getting adequate support from other Democrats?  NO.  In issue after issue that affects minorities, we see this.  The Democrats are not taking the political risks to stand up for justice. Again, the meaning thing.

by noemie maxwell on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:23:03 AM PST

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I will tell my precint people that the choices aren't great. Here is Draft ...

  1. Do NOT give a penny or a second to ANY Incumbent Federal Dem* - they've been busier recycling the same ol same ol excuses for losing to fascists than they've been fighting fascists.  Rewarding the PAID FAILURES does NOT encourage success, it rewards the PAID FAILURES.

  2. By participating in the Caucuses your name will be passed amoung the same Top Down PAID FAILURES who are architects of and defenders of FAILURE. Their centralized campaign organization will operate, primarily, for the benefit of people who are the PAID POLITICAL FAILURES.

  3. There will be interesting candidates to work for, and you might access them through the central campaign, or you might get sidetracked to fit the priorities of a PAID POLITICAL FAILURE.  Fred and I will put interesting candidates into this website.  See fred's website http://blahbhbbhh.whatever

  4. IF you want to try to be a delegate to the National Convention, or have impact on the platform, you'll need to attend the caucuses.  IF you are 1 of the tens of millions of Americans with a job you must work really hard to keep, the caucus process is a nightmare. Being a delegate and or influencing the platform is NO guareentee that the PAID FAILURES are gonna care a whit about you.

ROBERT MURPHY
PCO 1392
(contact me if you want my job.)

http://www.liemail.com/BambooGrassroots.html

by rmdSeaBos on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 10:05:59 AM PST

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I congratulate Naomi for her effort to paint the good picture of a bad policy we here in Washington and the nation have in electing our candidate to run for the presidency of the United States

In her 8 1/2 pages of explanation she lays out the sad fact that the party leadership is manipulating the democratic voters of our state.  The primary vote set for February 19th will not count in who will be our primary choice for president.  How many of the registered Democrats know this?  The caucuses will pick our candidate to run in the general election.

This system is in place at the moment.  However there is a solution.  All Democrats want a fair primary process should demand that this policy be put to a vote!

Solution; here should be a ballot measure on the primary ballot February 19 to set things straight.

#1. Place a measure to nullify the results of the caucus vote.

#2. Make the primary vote of the registered Democrats mandatory as to who our candidate will be.

#3. Instruct our delegates to the Democratic convention in Denver to place a resolution before the national convention to call for a national primary day for future elections and eliminate this farce of Iowa and New England in setting the agenda for the rest of the country.

Let the Democrats here in Washington State begin the cleanup of this corrupt primary election process.

Democrats let your voices be heard!

Democracy must come from you the people and not the party leadership!

by ozymandiask on Sat Dec 29, 2007 at 03:12:14 PM PST

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Tyler Page, current newsletter editor for the 47th District Democrats, and past Chair of that organization, past State Committeeman wrote me the following (excerpt) and gave his permission for me to post it:
I read your post on the caucuses and believe that it should not only be required reading for all Democrats, but there should be a test to make sure people understood it....

I had a fairly lengthy discussion with someone about this subject the other day. Like many people, he had been led by the news media (CNN) to believe that the caucus procedure is the most complicated and deliberately confusing activity ever attempted. We got that straightened out, but he still wanted to know why Iowa (and Washington) doesn't just use a primary.

The key, I explained, is that when it comes to a party choosing its Presidential nominee, process matters. What we do in February is act as partisans on behalf of our current preferences. We do not do this alone -- we do it together, for out of this process will come one nominee whom we expect all Democrats will support even if he or she was not their first choice.

It is to enable this eventual transition from contention to solidarity that we ask people to start coming together while the outcome is still in doubt. Democrats are famous for doing their own thinking rather than taking marching orders from above. We want them thinking about working together with their neighbors in our greater common cause when the time comes.

Trying to capture this value for our party is not without cost, and it's well worth discussing (Rodriguez et al) as to whether it is worth trying. But Zemke and others who have sought to impose a presidential primary on the parties are just wrong. The parties have a fundamental right to decide for themselves who their delegates and their nominees will be. We throw the doors as wide open as we can without actually recruiting non-Democrats.

by noemie maxwell on Sat Dec 29, 2007 at 05:21:51 PM PST

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Thus spake Hillary Clinton at the end of her interview with George George Stephanopoulos today.

No matter what the state of the race is at the time of our caucuses, I will be there for the simple reason that I enjoy them. I actually enjoy talking to my neighbors about politics, especially neighbors I've never met before. I'm genuinely curious about what people in my neighborhood think about the candidates and the issues of the day. There is much that I find disheartening about the political process; for that reason, I find the caucuses to be all the more refreshing. I have very limited time to devote to politics this year, so I gravitate toward events that revive me rather than discourage me.

Of course, not everyone feels that way about the caucuses. I respect that. However, I'm speaking to the larger point that if we're to sustain our activism long-term, despite all the creepy crud we have deal with, we need to seek out what revives us.

Us--I meant the first-person plural in the previous sentence. Because I'm not the only one who is revived by them. I lived in the 36th during the 2004 caucuses, and I know that they helped our local organization add dedicated members to its ranks. Whatever you may think of the Party, I've talked to enough people who in 2004 were on the ground in Pennsylvania and Ohio to realize the value of strong local organizations. If the caucuses strengthen our local organizations, then that's just another reason to be for them.

The list of things that disgust us about the political process is very long. On the other side are the things that give us hope. Community politics does it for me, and I know it does it for others. A primary does not bring neighbors together. The caucuses--and a million other local activities--do.

by DWE on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 10:46:26 AM PST

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Just read this front page NYT's piece and so was promoted to jump back in here. The issues raised in this piece apply to the WA Caucus as well. Yes, I realize WA Dems now have proxy provisions for "religious observance, military service or disability" -- but that doesn't cover the gamut of the excluded by any stretch.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/us/politics/02vote.html?pagewanted=2&hp
"Iowans begin the presidential selection process, making choices among the candidates that can heavily influence how the race unfolds. Now some are starting to ask why the first, crucial step in that process is also one that discourages so many people, especially working-class people, from participating. 'It disenfranchises certain voters or makes them make choices between putting food on the table and caucusing,' said Tom Lindsey, a high school teacher in Iowa City. Mr. Lindsey plans to attend this year, but his neighbors include a cook who cannot slip away from his restaurant job on Thursday night and a mother who must care for her autistic child."

In addition, I have heard it argued over and over that the "big money" is less of an influence on caucus goers than primary voters -- but have seen to hard evidence of that.  Please note this piece by Seattle's own Joel Connelly.  It's about Hillary's ad spending -- but she is not alone in the outrageous amounts of dollars being spent on media buys to influence caucus goers. I suspect the candidates believe that these ads will influence caucus goers -- or else they just enjoy wasting money.  
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/345653_joel02.html
"Capping a $6.6 million Iowa TV campaign, Hillary Clinton has bought two minutes of caucus eve television time for a last-minute appeal."

So, again, next time around, let's consider a "meaningful" primary process across the nation with Clean Elections reform.  Dream on?

-bev

by BevM on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:26:25 AM PST

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This one caught me completely unaware -- our precinct caucuses WILL NOT HAVE A 15% THRESHOLD.  There will, in fact, be no threshold at all.  Here's the relevant information from page 16 of the 2008 Washington Delegate Selection Plan (emphasis added):
Each presidential preference, which receives 15% or more of the votes cast at a meeting, (except at the precinct caucus level where no threshold is required) shall receive his or her share of the delegates allotted. If no presidential preference reaches the 15% threshold, the threshold shall be the highest percentage received by a presidential preference minus 10%. Alternates shall be allocated in the same proportion as delegates.

I discussed that point, and shilled for last night's first-in-the-nation Seattle DrinkingLiberally precinct caucus in a DailyKos diary.  You'll find caucus reports and results here and here and here.

You're only young once, but you can be immature forever -- Larry Andersen
Blogging at Peace Tree Farm

by N in Seattle on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:16:36 AM PST

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super tuesday!

I write this as the media prattles about hrc V barack in N.H. in a few days

when about 68% of Iowa Dems weren't interested in corporate 'change'

and a guy with hostile media and hostile corporate pig donors came in the middle of the Top 3

Go John Edwards!

After Super Tuesday ... how many will be left?

I think that there is over 80% that there will be 2 left, but, only 2.

The big money ain't gonna abandon big bill and big hill ...well, until it is obvious they can't buy their way back to the casa blanca,

and the big O has got some big mo.

I don't see any of the big 3 bailing before super tuesday, BUT

the next 32 days of politics are gonna be

A F'ING BLAST!

As long as we don't gut each other, trading blows is gonna toughen them knuckles and get that head ready for punches in the mouth and get that body ready for shots in the kidneys

AND then we can go beat the s**t outta those fucking fascists.

rmm.

http://www.liemail.com/BambooGrassroots.html

by rmdSeaBos on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 03:57:25 PM PST

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