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Iraq Messages this week - a General, A Military Mom, A Congressman, A Military Wife, A Journalist...

My mind is swimming today with the differences in messages and approaches of so many earnest people endeavoring to try to end Iraq war.
  • Retired Major General Paul D Eaton, Fox Island, WA, speaks from Seattle last night on Real Time with Bill Maher about conditions of Walter Reed being the 'tip of the iceberg';
  • Representative David Obey (D- WS) recorded on video Thursday losing patience with questions from Tina Richards, mother to Cpl Cloy Richards, returning Iraq Marine veteran, twice deployed to Iraq, soon to deploy for third time. MSN, Chris Matthews interviews Tina Richards Thursday on Hardball.
  •  Bob Woodruff, injured in IED explosion ABC journalist 'To Iraq and Back' and his wife are interviewed Friday on MSN Hardball with Chris Matthews.
  • Two of the arrested Port of Tacoma protesters are inteviewed on Fox News Hannity and Colmes.
  • Op-ed published this week by a Washington based military wife, Stacy Bannerman married to WA Natl Guardsman, himself a returning Iraq veteran. Stacy tells of the casualty of marriages in military families faced with multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, including her own.  

Different kinds of messages from  different military-connected people with 'skin in the game' - a phrase for being in Iraq or having loved ones in Iraq. Different routes up the same mountain. But are the roads overlapping, perhaps tangling up the effort and the message - are some routes leading to dead ends?  

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-- video - HBO - Real Time, Bill Maher. Retired Major General, Paul D. Eaton, Fox Island, WA, speaks on the conditions of Walter Reed as the 'tip of the iceberg'. Paul Eaton was in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004. He is speaking to Bill Maher via satellite with the Space Needle and Seattle skyline in the background.  He says an interesting thing  on the Real Time show last night and I have to admit, it took me by surprise, so when Bill Maher repeated it, I knew I had heard what I thought I heard.  Quoting excerpt of end of one of his sentences
'arrival of Democratic controlled Congress, Thank God, 7 November'.
  Bill Maher responds that it is not often you hear military people say arrival of the Democrats and Thank God in the same sentence.

See retired Major General, Paul Eaton, Fox Island, WA companion piece, NY Times Op-Ed, 'Casualties of the Budget Wars' published this week. You may recall also as reported by NY Times last year in April 2006, Paul Eaton was among the six Generals calling for Rumsfeld resignation - link .

-- link video - MSN - Hardball,Chris Matthews.  Tina Richards, mother of Iraq veteran Marine son, twice deployed and will deploy third time March this year. Her encounter with Representative David Obey (D- WS). Tina was representing Grassroots Missouri on Hardball yesterday.  She is also a member of Military Families Speak Out, although it sounds like she is taking action as an independent military family on behalf of her son's upcoming third deployment to Iraq.  

-- link video -  MSN - Hardball, Chris Matthews. Bob Woodruff and his wife interviewed on Bob's recovery from Brain Trauma Injury. Bob Woodruff ABC journalist who was severely wounded Jan 2006 in IED explosion while covering Iraq. (My note - reference another Washblog story I wrote on Bob Woodruff in the special ,'To Iraq and Back' )

-- link video - Fox News - Hannity and Colmes.  Two arrested at Port of Tacoma protesting the loading and shipping of Stryker equipment destined for Iraq. See Noemie story at Washblog as she endeavors to explore the Port of Tacoma protests.  

-- An op- ed by a published auther and military wife of Washington state National Guardsman, Stacy Bannerman wrote an op-ed March 7, courageously sharing with the public the breakdown of her marriage as a direct result, she says, of war in Iraq. Link 60,000 Marriages Broken by Iraq, Including Mine, read through the comments and you can feel the tone of empathy (or lack of empathy) which military families generally encounter. Some of the comments are the usual of what we as military families have been hearing for the past four years now (and we heard it in Vietnam era too), but some of the comments are from peace/activist people who can be equally harsh in their comments. (I find this happens as well in the comments to Daily Kos stories)

She was prompted by the comments to write another op-ed, also published at Alternet March 10, 2007  link 'Volunteer Soldiers Devastated by Iraq Weren't Asking for It'.   Stacy phoned me this week to pass along a request she had received for military family to speak at a Seattle area church for 4th anniversary event.  She passed it along to me for consideration of Military Families Speak Out - WA chapter to determine if one of our member families was willing to speak.  

That led me to share some thoughts with Stacy about how I am feeling more uncomfortable with  the relationship of military families and the  peace/activist movement/communities.  As I explained to her,  I can't tell if my growing discomfort, some of what has felt like exploitive experiences, is coloring my perspective.  I am disinclined to want to participate in any of the 4th anniversary acknowledgement events being planned in Washington this month.  I'm not so sure that the message I carry is best represented within the context of the planned events. I'm not sure it doesn't feel a bit like being a willing mouthpiece puppet for messaging that does not entirely reflect my own thoughts and message.

Sometimes, I shared with her, it feels like I am pressed hard from both sides - the right wingers rhetoric, and the peace/activist movement rhetoric. She, a long time peace activist, shared with me that until she herself became a military wife, she would have had a hard time understanding the viewpoint of military culture.  It helped me to hear her say that, because it reminds me to continue to try to be patient and not grow impatient at what feels like the disconnect I sometimes feel with the peace/activist communities.  

 Of late, I'm not liking the direction of what I'm hearing from some peace/activists who point the finger at the soliders who do deploy.  It sounds a lot like the residue of Vietnam to me - blaming the soldiers for a) going,  b) for not putting down their weapons, c) for not refusing to go in the first place.   I have actually heard someone say to me  when I asked what you would have the soldiers already in Iraq do and the response was that they should put down their weapons.  "While they are in Iraq," I asked, "they should put down their weapons?"  I'd say there is a real disconnect happening that is unrealistic in this kind of discourse.

I received a phone call this week from a woman who invited me to show my oil paintings on an art show offered by Comcast TV channel in Puyallup. She came across one of my oil paintings on our MFSO chapter website .  (That is the result of the pride of my husband who felt a photo of one of my oil paintings should be part of my profile info).  As I explored this with her, confused because of the contact via MFSO website, she shared with me that her husband is a Vietnam veteran, who experienced the homecoming of having red paint poured on him and being spit upon by the peaceniks there to greet him.  

This was astonishing to me because I know there is a published book, Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam, indicating that this spitting on the returning Vietnam veterans never happened, is a myth, and can't be validated by first hand accounts.  I asked her if she knew of this book.  She did not, but she says her husband knows his own experience, and he might like to know about this book as he could offer direct first hand experience.  He was not a protesting anti-war veteran. I know many Vietnam veterans reference the 'spit upon' as symbolic and indicative of how they were welcomed home as opposed to actual first hand experience.  But as I shared with her, I well remember my own experience then, and the climate was not welcoming or conducive to my sharing that my husband was a returning veteran from Vietnam.  We expected an unwelcome response so we shut it down in public venues and talked about it only among some of our friends - friends from high school who found themselves in Vietnam at the same time.

If the leftover ideals of the 60s protesting era are being revived and used again as rhetoric and talking points among peace/activist communities and directed at soldiers and military families,  then I contend this is a disservice to those of us contending daily with this war.  I'd like to think it is the few and not the general tone of the peace/activist communities, but my experiences tell me otherwise.      

I don't know what the best course is to trying to end this war and getting our troops home, all the while ensuring they are not without the equipment they need while they are in Iraq; not to mention the medical services they will need, likely long term.  A hard-wired mantra for me is that we (America) don't abandon our troops in the field and leave them with a shortfall of funding which translates to equipment and medical care. This is very real for me.

Another hard wired mantra for me is the experience of Vietnam. I'm still learning nuances - 35 years later - of what went into that era and what brought that war to an end, even though I actually lived in that time as a military wife. It doesn't seem to be any more clear cut now than it was then.  

There are those who say it took the soldiers themselves protesting to bring it to an end (do see the dvd Sir, No Sir).  There are those who say it was the massive protests, the college students, the violence against the protesters (ie, Kent State) and that without the 'movement' in place, the soldiers would not have had the support in place to launch their own protests.  There are those who say it took politicians umpteen tries politically to bring it to a close; that the work of politics is a slow moving mechanism - taking years and years sometimes.  

As near as I can tell, the stew of ingredients that finally brought Vietnam war to a close was a combination of many social, political, economic elements.  It took a combination of ongoing public protests, increasing pressure on Congress, having the soldiers themselves refuse to continue to participate in Vietman war, the condition of the 'draft' = widely sweeping to affect all draft age males pressing them into involuntary military deployments, and the element of the 'unknown' as it was not expected that soldiers would find so many ways to refuse to participate.

What is different this time with Iraq is that this Administration - please don't forget this fact - was also there at the time of Vietnam.    Rumsfeld, Cheney, George W. Bush, Wolfowitz, Perle, all had direct experience of the political climate of Vietnam. I would say they learned how  to 'contain' the imaging, message, and narrative we are given about Iraq from what they learned about Vietnam.  I would offer as well that there continues to be the kaleidoscope of the techniques of misdirection that keeps many of us off center and sometimes without firm ground as we try to dissect what is really going on.  

Is Jack Murtha on track then?  He has a strategy of redeploying the troops out of Iraq and leaving some of the troops on the horizon.  How about his recent suggestions to ensure troops are given opportunities of full training, recuperative one year between deployments as a kind of back door approach to stemming the flow of 'volunteer' troops who are kept in combat via back door draft of stop loss extended deployments?

Is what Representative Dave Obey (D- WS)shared with Tina Richards on the mark?  Is it accurate that Democratic party cannot get the required 233 votes on their proposed non-binding Resolutions?  Is it true that even should they be able to get Resolution passed it could be vetoed by President?  Is it true that the appropriation funding is needed to provide for the already deployed troops, get them fully back home safely and provide for their medical care?  Is there a political way in which the Iraq war can be made to be an illegal war and therfore illegal to fund, as Rep. Obey seemed to suggest in the exchange with mother, Tina Richards?  

Or is it true what Representative Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) indicates as enough funding already in the pipeline to safely bring the troops home now, and that additional funding is not necessary to get them home, rather that additional funding perpetuates and continues the war in Iraq?   That a vote now not to fund is not a vote against the troops and will not impede getting them home safely; will not abandon them in the field.

Is the Democratic party in the majority now working on a plan or several plans to actually find an effective way to end the war in Iraq, which they know is an immoral and probably an illegal war?  

What about the voices and messages, ie, General Wesley Clark, that express grave concerns about the U.S. military action expanding to Iran?

I'm not at all sure on this fourth anniversary of the Iraq war what message I want to be sending and how to best symbolize and represent that message.  
I want the politicians to do their jobs and bring this war to an end yesterday. I want to give them the space they need to do their jobs but each day  of delay represents so so many deaths. A sense of urgency presses military families as their loved ones deploy over and over again into an ill-defined mission.  When I speak of concern for our own loved ones and our troops, the focus is not limited strictly to our troops as that is too narrow - hundreds of Iraqis also are killed daily.  I think of another Washingtonian, Bert Sacks, of Seattle and his own individual courage in trying to help Iraqi children.

What of General Casy who seemed to be warning us all of the impending 'long war' against 'terrorism' in the Middle East?  When a military General says 'long war', my ears perk up and I ask myself if I am hearing the nuanced statement to the public of a General's  assessment that this will be a decades-long war.  Where will the troops come from to continue a decades long war with recruitment numbers down and fewer willing to enlist in what they have come to recognize as a questionable war?  Will the two in my family be serving deployment after deployment over the next decade?  How is this going to impact their wives and children?  

How can the former code of the military that goes down through the generations telling the new crop of soldiers and their families to 'suck it up' possibly relate to the experience of so many repeat deployments?  That is not in their experience, so how can they know to give advice of that nature?  It is the new crop that have the message in this war, and we aren't yet hearing from them.  

We hear from some, those who find peace/activist communities that give them a platform to be heard.  I rather think though that there are many more who are very perplexed, dissatisfied,confused and wanting to share their own message but not ready to swing that far away from their clan in speaking out quite so radically.  Often I ask myself, isn't there a kind of middle ground that permits one to have both conservative and liberal views - does it have to be one way or the other?  Where are those people, and where is their platform, what venues are provided for them?

Maybe it all flows together in ways I can no longer easily detect and maybe we all do get to the mountain top by different routes. Maybe there is room for all the divergent viewpoints, approaches, strategies and tactics.  Right now I'm having a hard time seeing the forest for the trees - I think - but I know my intentions are honorable.  Aren't they all - the intentions of all who take on this struggle?  

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is not normally someone I read or take seriously, but he wrote something in a recent column that caught my attention:

In an interview Jan. 16, Jim Lehrer asked Bush why, if the war on terrorism was so overwhelmingly important, he had never asked more Americans "to sacrifice something." Bush gave the most unbelievable answer: "Well, you know, I think a lot of people are in this fight. I mean, they sacrifice peace of mind when they see the terrible images of violence on TV every night."

So military families sacrifice by having their loved ones go into combat while the rest of sacrifice by feeling uncomfortable when we watch television? One more reason for impeaching Bush: he's nuts.

In a discussion yesterday, we talked briefly about the idea of reinstituting the draft. One person argued that a draft would force people to think about whether they're "in" or "out." Right now, they can decide not to decide.

One of the things that annoys me when I hear Democrats refer to "Operation Iraqi Freedom" (don't you love the irony of that) as "Bush's war" is that they're relieving themselves of taking responsibility for it. In my view, it's everyone's war because it affects us all. It's everyone's war, but it affects military families and the Iraqi people far more than the rest of us.

Sen. Murray owes her re-election, in part, to veterans. We should be reminding her every day that we expect her to advocate not only on behalf of wounded veterans, but on behalf of the ones who've yet to be wounded. She's being praised in various quarters for having said that "we are fighting a war with no cause." It's a nice line. Nice but also--when you consider the enormity of what's happened in Iraq--trite.

by DWE on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 03:45:10 PM PST

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that are heartbreaking and painful because they have no reasonable or simple answers.

Is this almost worse than Vietnam? Because "we" as a nation had that long horrendous experience to learn from, and here it is again like a bad dream with a false awakening.  You are right--some of the same people are responsible--and this time they've found ways to control the messsage.

How laughable (not in a funny way, though) that GW and Laura think "war violence" on TV is supposed to be the general public's sacrifice. Mostly because there is so little violence broadcast. Nor is anyone obligated to watch. So many ways to be distracted--just turn the channel. Phony "reality shows" with contrived dramas & competitions, dancing celebrities, etc. I've never watched these, but I've heard about them.

Probably none of those questions will be answered to our satisfaction. I'm thinking the only sane way to approach this now is through an Impeachment Movement that erupts from the bottom up.  At least THAT is an ideal of Justice hat fits this case. We've screwed it up in the past, but the ideal exists.

by dinazina on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 04:23:00 PM PST

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It always amazes me when I'm with a group that has a complex task -- and all kinds of personality issues and different ideas on goals and methods and false starts happen.  But then, like magic,it all pulls together.  I've seen it again and again.

Anything complex and involving people is going to be messy and sometimes even painful close up.  Somewhere else on this site someone talked about the suffragette movement and how "messy" that was.  Yet look what was achieved.

The war profiteers win big time by the division between soldiers/ military and peace activists.  It is the war profiteers we must blame for this war economy.  If we don't let ourselves stay divided, I believe we have it in us to change this country's direction -- to actually move us out of a war economy into a peacetime economy.  That's the prize I believe we must keep our eyes on.

This is a key spiritual issue of our time: how to respect the "other" -- even when that other has not yet learned to respect us and we must set limits, protect ourselves, be strategic, etc.  "Fail with ease and in the right direction" -- a quote from a book on how to practice (music) that I really like.  Error is inevitable.  How do we improve our ability to deal with inevitable error -- our own and others?  

by noemie maxwell on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 05:28:07 PM PST

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on the right side, you're on the wrong side.

Lietta's excellent article comes on the heels of events in our lives in which we perceive many of the political activists with whom we previously partnered as now acting at cross purposes.

ANd of course when activists disagree at that level, one of us must not be on the right side ... eh?

On the national level we can see in some organizations a tired rehashing of age old arguments that have even included a fall-back on time-tested revolutionary truths first espoused by an assortment of Trotskys, Lenins and Mao's.

But at the local level, such philosophical sophistication is not so evident - except perhaps on the part of educators who ought to pay more attention to what political mentoring really is.

We are seeing some folks with one foot in the 60's and one foot in the 21st Century. They seem to want to drive forward while staring out the rear view mirror. The historical view in that mirror unfortunately is not a mirror image of the world and circumstance in which we live today.

It amazes me still that so many who want to do something believe that whatever they do should be dramatically hostile.

If it is not dramatically hostile - offensive and like the sudden siren at a firehouse - a slumbering populace will not awaken.

But what if most of we citizens are already awake and much more aware than some assume?

"Slumbering" is hardly the word I would use.

Whether the general public is distracted and indifferent to the war or not, the general public is not ambivalent in its attitude about the troops. Ask any Democratic Senator or Representative whether or not they think the public is ambivalent about what supporting the troops looks like.

At this stage in the progression of America's tribulation and flirtation with fascism, neoconism, imperialism, corporatism or whatever "ism" is represented by what has gone on, a prevalance of a greater proportion of "aware" Americans is a good thing.

Public celebrities may need to thrive on controversy and rhetoric in order to survive, succeed or get rich, but the sooner we can quickly stop assuming stupidity and disloyalty about each other in our neighborhoods, the sooner we're on the path to soul repair in this country.

Arthur
You sure you ain't staking too much on yer theories? Not enough common sense?

by Arthur Ruger on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 07:26:10 PM PST

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this is a wonderful ongoing discussion, and it probably wouldn't happen at all except through blogs on the internet.

It really hurts to see the divide between conservative and liberal, because that affects my own family. I am liberal, they are conservative. We love each other dearly, we are curious about each other's viewpoints, but we avoid the topic entirely with intense fear. I think the culture is at fault (perhaps borne from Karl Rove's hateful election campaign tactics).
I wish I had a conservative friend with whom I could risk these discussions. We do have a lot of common ground, which is never really considered. COnservatives often are pro-environment, they want real health care solutions, they want fair trials, they don't want domestic spying. If we can trust that our government is fair, then we can make our policies better by listening to the criticism of the other side, and debating with them. But this is not where we are. The party in power has no intention of letting the other party participate, with good reason because there is no trust at all anymore.

by Lefty Mama on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 01:37:30 AM PST

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Lietta, this is a great piece.  I can only imagine how heartbreaking it must be to be in your shoes.  I wasn't even born when my Dad was in Nam, and so it's been difficult for me to grasp what life must be like for folks waiting for their family members to come back from war alive.

This thing is so screwed up and the right-wing nuts like Michelle Malkin are just throwing gasoline on the fire in a vain attempt to keep our military families from flirting with anti-war sentiment.  I only hope and pray that we can find some sort of consensus on ending this war.

If you or any of your readers would like to be a part of the decision on which plan we accept in Congress, come over to America in Solidarity and pick which plan you think is the best.  Sadly, Dennis Kucinich's 12-point plan is not up for discussion, but there are three plans that Congress is presently discussing.  Here's the link.

by Tahoma Activist on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 01:57:02 PM PST

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discussing something along the same vein as what we are discussing here at Washblog.  Although both Davids have keyed in on the exchange between Rep David Obey video talking to mother, Tina Richards, the comments and discussions seem also to be in a similar vein to what we are trying to discuss here in this topic.

An email I received this morning from David Swanson with an article he writes in response to an article David Sirota wrote on Rep. David Obey.
Also another email I received was an 'open letter' type email from Tina Richards responding to some of the questions she has been asked by people about the video of her questions to Rep. David Obey (D -WS) about his position of funding the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. What I call my morning reads, the blogging forums I usually read tells me this topic is being discussed as well in other places.

See David Sirota 'On Dave Obey, "idiot liberals" and ending the war' article at Working for Change.
And Bill Moyers, Executive Director of Backbone Campaign, has posted a response comment there.

See David Swanson 'On David Sirota, David Obey, and "Idiot Liberals," Never Mind Ending the War' article at afterdowningstreet.org and also at his other blog - Democrats.com

Oh, it looks like David Swanson posted  Tina Richards' open letter "How Will You End This War' also at afterdowningstreet.org.

After reading through the many discussions, it appears then I am not such an odd duck after all in my own inconclusive and worrisome assessments that prompted me to write this story at Washblog yesterday.  After reading through several discussion forums this morning, it sounds like many people who make up the diverse peace/activist movement are troubled about what strategies to use in moving forward.  

On the Surge in Iraq "--we have set the bar so low it's buried in the sand at this point." - Barack Obama

by Lietta Ruger on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 02:10:05 PM PST

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