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We are not lock-step republicans subordinate to someone else's talking points


I've been having an exchange with a dang fine guy, Steve Zemke, Majority Rules Blog. He's a good guy and not only would I stop and give him a ride if I saw him with his thumb out,  I'd go out of my way to drive down the road to where he was stuck if he called me.

He writes a a blog where his blogroll looks pretty much like mine. We are on the same team. We're active at PNW portal. And we'll remain on the same team.

But we disagree about how to support an incumbent senator and our disagreement comes from deep and powerful places of emotion and experience.

Our exchange took place on my own blog (thanks Steve for driving up my hit counts).  What he had to say in taking exception to what I've been saying reflects and maybe summarizes the on-going disagreement about the Cantwells, Wilsons and Dixons who make up the pool from which we'll nominate a senate candidate for November.

Steve had responded with a comment to a diary I wrote in Willapa View 3/24/06

After all the strategizers terrified of McGavick

I responded with a comment as did Chad Shue , The Left Shue, a Dean man whose blog and links are on my "read-regularly" list as well. Chad is also on the same team.

It's a pluralistic system we live in and that implies a plurality of opinions rather than a limited "plurality" of opinions which are dictated to the rest of us pluralitarians as wisdom from those who think they know more than we do.

It's a system that starts from square one in every election cycle. Square one - appropriately named "primary" - means that every citizen has an opinion, a vote and the duty to express both.

From square one in election cycles, the incumbents have a maybe-or-maybe-not advantage in that they have to run on their record. However, incumbents are no more entitled to that office than the next guy and it's a majority of primary voters who'll decide whether or not the incumbent has earned another chance.  

It is from that place and the current moment in time that I speak.

I have a perception that those who support our senator with henney-penney arguments are suggesting that we must tiptoe thru the tulips and keep quiet. An insurance CEO masquerading as a republican goliath who might be a shoo-in if we are not careful is putting up a roadblock ahead.

This again seems to assume that Cantwell is the only one to meet McGavick in the street and outshoot him - that we who are an active and publishing voice will have no impact; that McGavick cannot be defeated by a democratic team that is not flagshipped by Maria Cantwell.

Are we that afraid of McGavick that we have no confidence or would not be able to work hard against McGavick if we didn't have Maria? Activists who do more than blog in their pajamas have demonstrated the power of the keyboard. Ask KOS, ask Goldy ask any of those on the Portal Blogroll. We are not irrelevant.

Some seem unwilling to recognize that anxious to defend Ms. Cantwell, they praise her in ways that resemble the struggles republicans have in defending Bush and his administration credibly by somehow talking around and avoiding open discussion of what has got everybody upset. That's why, over the years,  "apologist" became a synonym for "speaking from a place of weakness."  

Goofy objections and false constructs are not what is fueling resentment of Maria Cantwell.

Personally, I don't think Cantwell has done a good job overall in six years and I yearn for someone more a leader as I understand leadership.

On the other hand Maria's supporters feel that she has done a good job, really leads and has lead well for six years - and therefore deserves renomination.

From my point of view that argument seems to admit a terror at the prospect of losing to McGavick - thinking that an incumbent is a campaign's bird in the hand no matter how many democrats are upset with her.

We can't help but feel frustration for the position in which we as Democrats in Washington find ourselves. Hiding behind a strategy-based fortress that threatens us with becoming disastrous duplicates of the perceptual villainy of the Nader campaign in 2000 is not helpful - not in a political society that is truly pluralistic.

We are all agreed that we don't want a republican victory over our party's senatorial candidate. I also assume, we all want the strongest candidate with the strongest message.

We seem to have the strongest candidate already in place. But we also seem to have an incumbent candidate whose message addressing those things that arouse supporters, bring out voters and light fires under non-voters is seriously lacking.

It's okay to get mad and it's okay to talk tough talk if you really mean it - if you are not bluffing or posturing. We don't want tough talk that is mere posturing and opportunism because our republican opponents in this state have modelled that behavior for us so precisely well for some time now, demonstrating a failed tactic.

If republicans had not screwed up our country so badly we might not have such a critical need to throw as many of them out of office nationwide as possible. It might not be so vital to do everything in our power to achieve elected majorities at the Federal level.

But they HAVE screwed up the country which makes of Senator Cantwell an extremely valuable political asset - by virtue of her party affiliation - regardless of any  real demonstrated leadership.

It's also my opinion, with all due respect to and regardless of Cantwell's challengers who have been willing to make the effort to run, that we do not have a stronger senatorial candidate as an alternative.

Neither announced challenger seems to know or have a dynamism that attracts positive attention, positive press and makes people want to stand up and shout "That's my candidate!"

I suspect that although it's not a matter of pure giftedness, it IS an artful skill and a politician should learn how to do it before launching a campaign.

... Like Scoop Jackson did for me in the late 70's, like Reagan in the early 80's when I was a dumb republican, and like Dean in 2004. Real leaders take stands and stand by their takes.

Last night I watched and listened to Biden on Bill Maher's show. I've written mostly critical diaries about Joe Biden, but if the presidential primary had taken place today, Biden would have gotten my vote ... simply because he repeatedly made powerful declarations without resorting to neither rhetoric nor the carefully crafted bland Kerry-style soup. He got mad. He spoke while he was angry. He did not sound less statesman-like in his indignation because his indignation was legitimately and justifiably righteous.

We haven't seen too much of that from local or national Democratic leadership. (I personally lay a lot of blame at the feet of the DLC)

Biden was aroused and repeatedly let slip declarations that revealed legitimate indignation, embarassment by our president and offered powerful logic from both the "get-out-of-Iraq-now" and the "we-can't-just-walk-away-from-this-mess-yet" points of view.

Kerry soup? As good as Kerry's recent speak-out was, it's a weak third to what Murtha has been saying all along and what Biden said last night.

Why?

Because his fire and statesmanship do not appear to come from his guts, but rather just as it appeared in 2004, from his handlers.

Because those latter two speak to the problem. They don't hide  their unwillingness behind a refusal - pretending to some sort of wiser-than-thou knowledge that is not apparent, not perceivable and makes them look hesitant, indecisive or cowardly.  

Murtha has a history of supporting the administration from early on - a deserved  reputation as a Democratic Hawk. He IS a legitimate Hawk whose votes at times legitimized the self-serving military claptrap coming from Chicken Hawk Heaven.

Murtha's not talking like a dove now but he is speaking directly against what happened as a result of how he himself voted early on. Because of that a day doesn't go by in which he doesn't earn more and more respect.

More than any other politician, Murtha's speaking out - after voting repeatedly with Republican Hawks over the years - is the model. It's the model we have every justifiable right to expect from our own elected officials.

It is not unreasonable when so much disapproval of our military venture into Iraq has manifested itself in this country.

It is not unreasonable when Iraq is the singular primary reason why Bush's polls are down in the 30's.

As much good as she has accomplished in her first term, Maria Cantwell has not earned the right to ignore those who question some of her decisions.

No politician has that right.

If a decision later on down the road needs to be re-examined or justified anew, a leader - a courageous and patriotic country-loving politician ought not to hesitate to square it with constituency.

If there were a returned Iraq War Veteran running for the Senate in Washington do you really think Maria would hide behind silence and exert this kind of extortion that says in effect, "You have no viable alternative to me and so I don't have to risk anything by taking a stand?"

And, since historically I come from at least partial republican leanings, had I known that Ms. Cantwell would behave in such an adamant stubborn and evasive way, ignoring that portion of her constituency that is now asking "Why?", I wouldn't have had one of my "Scoop Jackson" moments. I would have heard no bell, seen no light and felt no fire.

I would have voted for Gorton back then.

I've declared before that I'll be voting for and campaigning fiercely for whoever our nominee is and we all have a good idea as to who that will be.

But I'm not giving her a free pass because of slick editorials and arguments from her apologists that make it appear that the "smart" kids on the playground who say it's better to give your lunch money to the bully than to challenge him and risk being hurt even more are right.

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the premise of your title...

You make some very good points (thanks for the nod by the way) and I know that I am going to take some serious heat BUT.....

..."Neither announced challenger seems to know or have a dynamism that attracts positive attention, positive press and makes people want to stand up and shout "That's my candidate!" "...

In the past month, I have read articles in the Seattle Times, Seattle Weekly, and the Stranger, where Cantwell, McGavick and Dixon are all mentioned. I have gotten snail mail from Dwight Pelz and Barack Obama that include declarations of support for "Maria Cantwell's seat". And, just today, I attended the Snohomish County Democrats Convention where the letters from three of our Congressional representatives - Patty Murray, Rick Larsen, and Jay Inslee, contained direct pleas about re-electing Maria Cantwell (with Murray's letter sounding as if it were written by the Cantwell campaign.

Senator Cantwell faces a PRIMARY CHALLENGE! As a Democrat, I am totally offended by the very thought that there is a conspiracy of exclusion with regard to Mark Wilson that originates at the top levels of our party and apparently permeates the local print media as well. When I asked Geov Parrish how he could have excluded Mark Wilson from his SW article on Aaron Dixon (if only to point out that Progressive Democrats already have an alternative to Cantwell as a possible explanation for why Dixon is not gaining much traction from that group) he gave me the "not a viable candidate" garbage. This after he had wasted an entire two columns on a third party candidate who was already being investigated for a non-existent voting record but a "longer than your arm" criminal record. Now there's viable for you......! There are some here who think that this is a good thing and that Mark should be marginalized or swept under the rug. But isn't this exactly the thing the other guys do on a regular basis? What makes it right when our team does it?

But I do have occasional glimpses of the light at the end of the tunnel. At today's convention; after all the electeds and party leaders had their opportunity to tout the virtues of Maria Cantwell to subdued but respectful applause, I was finally (after the lunch break) allowed to come to the podium to read a letter from Mark. The reception was strong and many folks came to Mark's table afterwards to take pins, bumper stickers, and yard signs or just to ask questions about Mark and express how good it was to know that there was an alternative to Cantwell in the primary. Make no mistake, Senator Cantwell is losing support daily and good Democrats are looking for that alternative. It is just too bad that they have to go around Pelz and their own party to find him.

On second thought, maybe your title is correct in that "We", those of us who refuse to simply drink the cool-aid, are not "lock-step". However, the "Stepford-crats" and the "Incumbency is it's own Virtue" crowd sure give off that image.

Peace,

Chad (The Left) Shue    

by The Left Shue on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 10:55:30 PM PST

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Cantwell is the topic that just won't go away.  I've come around to the view that I think this debate is healthy and necessary.

At Drinking Liberally, Daniel K asked me for my position.  I'm pissed off at Cantwell.  He then asked about the McGaverick challenge and pragmatism.  I then said something like, yea, of course, and explained that I gave Cantwell money and volunteered a bit when I thought Rossi was the challenger and the race looked uncertain.  And if McGaverick starts to look threatening, then I'll help out again.

Markos said some pretty smart things yesterday.

First, he observed that the native are restless and discontent.  Not just the usual "didn't vote my way on issue such and such", but full on pissed off.  Markos said he was going to call the Cantwell office.  Tell them they have a serious problem.

Second, many people are grumpy with how the Cantwell office is run.  Another person shared the experience of asking to be taken off the call list, and why, and they kept calling.  That's pretty much my experience.  I've asked numerous times.  I've even been called at work (probably because it was my contact number for volunteering, I felt really bad for the guy cold calling me).  Nothing pleases me more than shaking me down for money while ignoring my interests.

Jim McDermott came to Marymoor.  Of course, he was asked to share his wisdom.  Everyone felt that Cantwell's stance (obstinance) on the war was going to hurt her.  One guys (Dave?, Rich Erwin?) asked if it was a personal or political decision.  If it's political, a la Hillary Clinton, it's just dumb.  If it's personal, then we have big problem.  

McDermott related story of how Dan Evans became Governor.  He pushed out the John Birch Society and picked up a lot of Democratic voters.  Now imagine what McGaverick is going to do when he's down 20 points.  Why not bring up the war, pretend that he's against it?

McDermott also said something really great.  For this conversation, he used the term "Greens" for people who weren't strongly red or blue.  He says that in Washington State, we're about 20% Green.  (He also said something like even though he's considered far left nationally, there's many to left of him here in Washington.)

Which brings to me the third point Markos made: He's sick of Democrats worried about offending Republican voters.  He said they should be worried about offending their own voters.  (I can't remember the great example he gave.)

The fourth, and last, point was Bob Casey in Pennsylvania.  Markos said regardless of Casey's politics (Pro-Life), he's a vote for Harry Reid for Senate Majority Leader.  And that's what we should be concerned about.

For my part, I think this internal struggle over Cantwell is exactly the kind of fight we should be having.  How "Democrats" like Cantwell are handled will pretty much determine the future of the Democratic Party.  Will it be the party of  energized grassroots progressives or the top-down Status Quo Party (Sinking Fast).  

Sure, I'll work for a Democratic majority.  But the moment a progressive senatorial candidate shows up, I'll be eager help remove Cantwell from office.  I might even enjoy it.

by zappini on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 07:29:04 AM PST

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I fear that Maria is trying to coast her way to reelection.  Unfortunately, she tried that against Rick White.  It backfired on her then and I'm afraid that it might backfire against Mike! this time around.

I always judge the validity of Maria's Senate votes by whether or not she votes with Senator Murray, mainly because I know where Patty stands.  I'm never quite sure about Maria, and I suspect that this uncertainty fuels much of the vocal opposition.

However, I will still vote for her. For his sin of runnning against Jay Inslee last time around, Mark Wilson can just go to hell.

by bhelverson on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 08:52:33 AM PST

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"if the presidential primary had taken place today, Biden would have gotten my vote"  

Cantwell: Eisenhower/Evans Republican voting for Reid. She has to do, much better than any alternatives this round. I voted for Evans, twice, and will do the same for Maria. She has too many negatives for me to feel happy about it.
Now, Biden. The guy is worse than Maria, a strutting peacock who blows hard with the wind (which may be why he replaced his hairpiece with plugs). He'd be a disaster as President. The next time you feel that way; get up, take walk, have a drink, and stay away from your keyboard until the feeling passes.

Re-elect Gore 2008 (ok, maybe I'm a bit crazy myself)

Dead squirrel Democrat

by Mark Centz on Tue Apr 11, 2006 at 02:55:11 PM PST

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